EP269 Immigration Implications Post Election with Attorneys Chinwe Nwangwu & Shelle Simon
Attorneys Chinwe Nwangwu of DariaLawFirm.com and Shelle Simon of ShelleSimonLaw.com, and host Mac Pierre-Louis of MacPierreLouis.com discuss the potential changes to immigration policy under the incoming Trump administration. The main points include:
- Uncertainty about President Elect Donald Trump’s Immigration Plans: Both attorney guests noted that the Trump administration has spoken broadly about immigration in harsh terms, but the specific plans are unclear. The current immigration laws have not changed.
- Challenges to Mass Deportation: The attorneys expressed skepticism that mass deportation of 11 million undocumented immigrants is practical or legally feasible, given the immigration court backlog and due process requirements.
- Concerns for DACA and TPS Recipients: There is uncertainty around the future of DACA and Temporary Protected Status (TPS) programs, which provide legal status to certain immigrant groups. The attorneys noted Trump has sent mixed signals on these programs.
- Importance of Consulting Immigration Attorneys: The attorneys urged listeners to consult with immigration lawyers to understand their options and rights, as the situation remains fluid and unpredictable.
- Need for Congressional Action: The attorneys agreed that long-term solutions require Congress to pass comprehensive immigration reform, rather than relying on executive orders that can be easily reversed by subsequent administrations.
Overall, the discussion highlighted the complexity of the immigration landscape and the challenges the incoming administration may face in implementing its campaign rhetoric around immigration policy.
TRANSCRIPT:
Speaker 1 00:00
Immigration implications post election with attorneys Chinwe Nwangwu and Shelle Simon. That is your topic for today. Welcome to the Lawyers and Mediators International show and podcast where we discuss law and conflict resolution topics to educate both professionals and everyday people. Catch regular episodes on YouTube and anywhere you get your podcast. Just remember nothing in these episodes constitutes legal advice, so be sure to talk to a lawyer as cases are fact dependent. Hey everyone, this is Attorney Mac Pierre-Louis, welcome back to the LMI podcast where we talk about the law and conflict resolution topics. And so today I have two guests with me who are going to be talking to us about the topic of immigration and the changes that may be happening over the next few years under the new president-elect Donald Trump. All right, so we have Chinwe Daria Nwangwu, She is an attorney along with Shelle Simon. And both of these attorneys I’ve known for years because we either with a law school together or we worked alongside each other. And now we’re all doing, you know, big different things but it’s really good to have you guys, both ladies how are you?
Speaker 2 01:22
We’re doing great thank you.
Speaker 3 01:24
Alright, very well.
Speaker 1 01:26
So I’m going to let you guys each introduce yourselves, just real brief, and then we’ll get into the topic so Chinwe Nwangwu, why don’t you go first tell us about you.
Speaker 2 01:36
Yes, hi my name is Chinwe Daria Nwangwu. I am an immigration attorney. I also do tax litigation and representation before IRS and also business litigation. Immigration is a passion project for me because I am an immigrant and I think that there’s usually a lot of confusion with regards to immigration matters and most times when people speak about immigrants, they tend to confuse legal immigrants with the illegal immigrants. I think legal immigration is great for the country and I also think that with regards to the illegals, we need to find a humane solution to to to the problems that currently exist and figure out a a better solution. Thank you.
Speaker 1 02:50
Thank you so much Chinwe and it’s not your first time on the podcast and so if folks who may be interested in hearing what you’ve had to say in the past, are welcome to go back and this same channel and check out a recording you did with me probably what, two years ago, I think.
Speaker 2 03:05
Two three years ago I believe.
Speaker 1 03:07
Yeah, it’s been a while. This is when the immigration debate really blew up in the beginning of the last of the current administration. But before we continue, let’s go to Shell, could you introduce yourself?
Speaker 3 03:20
Thank you, Mac. It is a pleasure to be here with you all. Just to talk about immigration, I’m an immigration attorney based in Houston, texas. But I do serve clients all over. So I really got my law firm going full time during COVID and we’ve been able to offer virtual services to our clients. And we also have an office here in Houston that we’re able to offer to the surrounding community. Immigration is very near and dear to me because I myself am also an immigrant, and I came to the US here when I was seven years old. And my purpose is to help other immigrants, undocumented immigrants, to gain their status here in the United States so that they can set up themselves here and also generations. So I’m really about impacting not only them, but their families as well.
Speaker 1 04:24
And I know, you know, Shelle, I think you and I went to law school together and something people may not remember or know was that in law school? Shelle and I were, I believe the titles were the president and vice president of the International and Immigration Law Society, right i it might have gotten the name wrong because that’s been 15 years plus, you know, so, but I remember you and I going to, I think it was an ICE prison up in North Houston right near the airport, you know, to see how the detention center was. And so we go back, you know, on this topic. And so all three of us, you know, are foreign born Americans who now also have a passion for this topic and for education because the more people know, the more empowered they are. All right. And I was screen sharing your websites, so if people are watching this, of course they can go to your websites if they’re listening, we’ll make sure we spell the names out. So Chinwe, your website is darialawfirm.com and Shelle. Yours is Shelle Simon Law and Shelle is S-H-E-L-L-E SimonLaw.com
Speaker 3 05:45
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Speaker 1 05:46
All right, so while I’m screen sharing, let me go to segue just a little bit just to kind of set the stage a little bit for this conversation, conversation today. The other day I had the Forbes contributor and former UN correspondent, immigration law attorney Andy Semotiuk, who was who wrote an article on Forbes talking about the daunting, a daunting challenge for America and in the article, he describes how it’s there’s going to be a lot of challenges to what he sees as having been described as mass deportation by the president-elect And so I encourage people to go read on the article because it makes a lot of really good points. And I’ll definitely put a link to this article on this, not just this blog post and video, but also to Andy’s own video where we discuss international law and immigration law recently. So that’s over on <a href=”forbes.com”>forbes.com</a> if people want to check it out. But the topic that the deportation plan that President Donald Trump has been trusting is going to be a big deal it’s going to be with challenges is really why we’re here today, is to tell people what should they expect what do you expect what do you think is going to be happening in the foreseeable future and so with that, I’ll kind of open it up for a little bit of a opening statement, so to speak, so you can give your thoughts on some of these topics like DACA, TPS, asylum, and what you predict is going to be happening over the next, you know, few weeks, months and years and Chinwe, why don’t you go first?
Speaker 2 07:45
The problem I have with the incoming administration is we’re not clear on what they plan to do we just know they’re just speaking broadly about immigration and in very harsh tones. What I know is that they plan to deport the 11 or 12 million illegal immigrants and according to them, along with the US citizen born kids, if they’re minors, they will also deport them. I don’t know how practical that is going to be and, and the legalities of some of those things because the, the, the current law requires that you, you put people in removal proceeding and give them an opportunity to, you know, defend or an opportunity to state, you know, reasons why they should remain in the United States. Also during the campaign, TPS was a hot topic and I think they that the current president didn’t understand that TPS recipients are legal. They have legal status. He also was speaking in a language that indicated that he thought they were illegals here. But TPS recipients are legal. And as long as their TPS is continued to be renewed, they’re legal and they can remain in the United States. They usually have to renew it every two, two years or five years, depending on the country, where they come from. And then with DACA, the, I think the Biden administration tried to codify it and then lawsuits ensued. So for now, the courts have found that it’s not constitutional. So what is currently going on with DACA is individuals that had DACA prior to 2021 I think they’re allowed to renew and obtain, extend the work authorization and then the asylum. The asylum issue that the Biden administration, I think maybe tried to the current law, I think is if you’re, if you’re coming in through the southern border, you, you may not be eligible for asylum unless you sought and were denied asylum from any of the countries that you, you, you crossed through. That is the current policy guideline they have. I think it’s also been challenged in courts. So overall, that’s the current immigration and the incoming administration. I don’t know that anybody can speak clearly as to what they plan to do because they haven’t clearly defined what they’re going to do. But I know for a fact that it’s not going to be practical to put people in detention camps, 11 million people in detention camps while you’re trying to process or remove them from from the United States.
Speaker 1 11:45
Definitely going to follow up with some questions for you on your thoughts, Chinwe but Shelle, give us your thoughts what do you think about these topics and what do you foresee might be happening?
Speaker 3 11:57
Absolutely so like Chinwe, I definitely believe that it’s really going to be impossible to deport 11 million people. And it has not been very clear as to what exactly is going to happen. There’s just been threats about mass deportation. But, you know, sometimes, as Trump even says himself, there’s concepts of a plan. So there’s been, you know, things said here, things said there, and people are just trying to piece together. But there’s one thing I know is that people are fearful, OK so when I’m talking to my clients, they are scared, OK and So what I have told them and what I tell people in general when it comes to mass deportations, mass deportations simply can’t happen. But when they are looking to deport people, for example, with an ICE raid or something like that, it’s going to be people who have removal orders and it’s going to be people who have serious criminal infractions, right? So people who have serious criminal offenses and those who already have deportation orders. So for example, if you have a pending case, you are actually in a really good position because for you to go to immigration court, they’re basically when you go to immigration court trying to find out why should you be here? What relief do you have and so that’s why sometimes people present a case like asylum, they may present different cases to say, This is why I should be here. So if you have a pending case, you’re in a really good position because typically the court is going to let that case, you know, processed through USCIS before they rule on your case. So we do have a court system, OK. We do have, you know, where you can go you can get your master hearing, your individual hearing. You do have the right to be represented by an immigration attorney. So, you know, I do want to let people know that just because there are threats of mass deportation, it does not mean that you will get deported just because you’re an immigrant, OK? You have to do your due diligence. And also, if you don’t have status to look into what possible options there are, talk to an immigration attorney, go and see what possible options you have i have spoken to clients who did not think that they had a potential option, but it turns out that they do and now we are in the process with their case. And so it just brings such great relief knowing that actually I do have options so it’s very important to talk about those options now i do also want to go into some of the things that Trump has said that are kind of very contradictory. So with all of the talk of mass deportations, you know, people with DACA have also been very nervous about what’s going to happen. So Trump has seemingly recently flipped on DACA after previously opposing it in an interview, a recent interview, he said that he would like for the DACA recipients to be able to remain in the US. And so, you know, it’s it’s a little, I don’t know, it’s a little kind of like flip flop because everything that he’s been doing has been singing that he wants to end. These type of programs included TPS temporary protected status for those who are already here in the United States this could affect countries like Haiti. This could countries like Venezuela, you know, and we all know, like in his speech, you know, he referred to Haiti and Venezuela in negative connotations. And so it does not seem that he would really want to keep those type of programs with TPS. But another thing that.
Speaker 1 16:02
Just sorry before, before you continue on, I definitely want to hear your next point. Let me ask you guys this question. Could you kind of hit on this that Trump kind of flip flops? He has said stuff, but he kind of contradicts himself. Do you think then that a lot of the things that were said on the campaign trail, this is to both of you ladies, a lot of the things that were said on the campaign trail were said to try to get the election won. But that once reality sets in and we get into this, most of it will not be done either because one, it’s going to backfire because it’s like 2 year elections in 2026 that’s going to cause Republicans to reconsider hey, we don’t want to push the public too, too far because if we anger too many people, it’s going to backfire on us. So that’s called politics. And two, in practical, in practicality, like it can’t really be done the way they were wanting. So therefore, do you think that a lot of it was just hyperbolic language that was intended to fuel a base to get the voters out to win the election? But most of it’s not going to happen anyway. And if so, so that gives some people a little bit of a breathing room because there’s not much to worry about. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 2 17:21
Ok, OK sorry.
Speaker 3 17:24
No, I was just going to say it’s going to be interesting to watch and see because honestly, we don’t know. I mean, I will say one thing about Trump is he really does try to do the things he says he’s going to do. So I don’t know i mean, he’s at one point said that if you graduate from school that you’re going to get a green card. You know, he said he wants the DACA recipients to say, but yet he’s going to deport, you know, have mass deportation so it’s really kind of, I guess, difficult to to know exactly what the plan is. And so it’s very difficult to say exactly what’s going to happen.
Speaker 1 18:08
What do you think?
Speaker 2 18:09
Ok, One of the things I tell clients when they come to my office, because there’s this high top agitation and anxiety around immigration right now, one of the key things that everybody needs to understand is the immigration law has not changed. The law has been the same for decades. There’s always this talk about comprehensive immigration reform, which has not been passed through Congress. There’s the current border bill that was attempted but failed because Trump didn’t want it to go through just so that he can run on it. And so the law has not changed and it’s not likely to change in the next two months. So the current immigration law is the law of the land. And so the question now becomes executive orders that Trump is going to, you know, issue with regards to immigration. And so that’s why I keep saying you can’t predict because we know that they they usually the campaign mode. And then when the reality sets in, the governing mode is always different. When you start governing, you realize that you can just remove people from US they have to go through the courts. And currently the immigration court system is congested, is is over, you know, is over, is currently overwhelmed and most hearing dates are scheduled in two, three four years away. So I always tell people to breathe. I know that the initial target, which is not really a policy shift, is going to be people with crimes people that are currently being deported are people that have committed crimes. That is going to continue because once you get arrested and you are in the state system or the federal system, immigration hold would would kick in depending on the crime and depending on your status. I know that will definitely continue with the current administration. And then so the, the question with the illegals is how did you come in and what are the options available to you? Because even when you put in removal proceeding, if you don’t have a relief, there’s really nothing that an attorney can do for you. So the question becomes what are the beliefs available to you and if there’s any for, for that attorney to assist and help facilitate the process so that you can stand a better chance. But I don’t think that there’s going to be any any, you know, shift, significant shift in what is currently happening. That’s just my my opinion.
Speaker 1 21:08
Yeah. Charlie, can you continue with what you were saying before?
Speaker 3 21:12
So I prefer to call them undocumented persons simply because a lot of the people who are crossing the southern border are doing so and they’re asking for asylum, which is a legal process. I know some people prefer staying illegal, but I guess, you know, I just want to give some, some dignity to that by saying undocumented persons. But you know, I, I do agree that substantially the, the law has remained the same. But for those who practice immigration like like like you do Chinwe, it’s I always say that immigration laws like the wild, Wild West, OK, because it does change a lot substantially it doesn’t but some of the mechanisms of it, right so for example, one of the things that we are maybe anticipating that could fall back with Trump is like the remain in Mexico program. We are not able to come in and ask for asylum, but we’re going to have to stay in Mexico.
Speaker 2 22:12
Those are executive orders.
Speaker 3 22:14
Exactly. And so even now, before Biden tried to leave, he tried to put a parole in place together for people who were who were US, citizens who were married to undocumented spouses. And that has been held up, especially by Texas where we live. And so a lot of the things that has have tried to change to make things better for people who are here undocumented have been stopped one way or another, usually by Republican red states. And so I do expect that to go on that even though, yes, the law is the same, those, those things are there. It’s things are going to get, continue to get backlogged. You know, the wait for AU visa is 7 years, OK, To get some other humanitarian things it’s it’s four years, three to four years. It’s taking a long time. There’s people who have been, you know, and with asylum waiting to their court date, five years plus. Ok. So some of those stresses are going to lay over with the current, with the next administration. And if you’re trying to deport these massive amounts, millions of people, I mean, we have to have due process even for undocumented immigrants, we have to have the due process. And so some of the things that Trump is talking about are just constitutionally, you know, we’re just not. I mean, you can’t prove him constitutionally, Like he wants to change the Constitution with, OK, you know, getting rid of birthright citizenship, OK so you’re just gonna change that amendment like, there’s some of the things that he’s talking about that we have a constitution in place we have standards in place as a democracy. How are you as a president with a broad, you know, stroke of the pen going to change all of these things we barely built our nation on? So that is, you know, a big concern for myself and other immigrants who, you know, are here working. They’re they’re doing their part. Certainly there are people here committing crimes, OK, But all of us aren’t OK. And I think the people who are really just minding their business, working, working hard for their families are really concerned and really scared when they don’t even have any type of criminal infraction. And so that’s what I am seeing a lot. And so I definitely again urge you to talk to immigration attorney to see what type of options are available.
Speaker 2 24:58
Ok, one of one of one of the reasons why I said the law hasn’t changed much, even though their pockets of executive orders, what what I have experienced in the 14 years that I’ve practiced is that most times when executive orders are issued and it gets started, the courts tend to stop it because people file lawsuits to stop it. So, you know, even with the current DACA now because Biden tried to codify it is now being stopped by the courts. So with the mass deportation issue, I know for a fact that once that executive order is issued, because Trump is not going to just something has to be, you know, there has to be a legal basis for, for these things to start happening. So once he issues that executive order, I strongly believe that there will be different pockets of organizations or individuals filing lawsuits or even states filing lawsuits that would kind of slow things down. And then like you rightly said, there has to be due process. And like I said, the current immigration court is overwhelmed. And I don’t know that unless he plans to set up a a separate immigration courts to expedite this removal processes, if they’re all still going to go through the current one that is overwhelmed. I don’t see anybody being removed as quickly as as the campaign was given, you know, making a sound that you just pick people up and then you remove them. That’s just not how it works.
Speaker 1 26:49
So, ladies, before we talk about humanitarianism, so I would you agree that everybody and their mother has been waiting for Congress to act on this topic, right? Everybody for years has always been saying that immigration process in this country is broken in that you have president, president come in, they do new executive orders trying to put band aids on the solution on the problem, but the next president comes and this undoes it. And so this is not a way for a functioning democracy to survive you have to have rules or pathways of citizenship or a system that people can actually know. That’s predictable. When we started talking today, we we all said that there’s unknowns with what’s going to happen. Nobody really knows if whether or not Trump was bluffing on some things or if he’s going to ask you on some other things. I would say this, The one thing we do know is Trump has the tendency to bring us right to the edge, to then force people to do something. For example, the abortion debate, it was seen through the political lens for many, many years. Trump took it to a place to where now we all have to deal with it as a democracy, state by state. Much like the immigration issue is. I think it’s going to take us right to the edge and Congress is finally probably going to have to act otherwise in four years, we may potentially be trying to undo all of these things creating in more chaos. So it just never ends. I I think this is in Congress’s lap. There wasn’t shot at it what, just a year ago, right, there was a congressional discussions and.
Speaker 2 28:37
That was just the border. That was just the border security because they couldn’t pass a comprehensive immigration reform so they just focused on the border. And even that still didn’t pass because of politics. Hopefully, maybe when Trump is in office, maybe he will start from there. Maybe they’ll tweak that and then at least secure the border. And then hopefully then they will move on to immigration, comprehensive immigration reform to address all of these pockets of individuals that, you know, with different status, the undocumented immigrants like Sherry likes to say, and I agree with you, I think it’s, it’s, it’s wonderful to, to put a humane and respectful term. And then the TPS group with a DACA group and asylum seekers. These are all different pockets of people that have just lingering status that most times they’re just there and nothing is being done. Even with regards to the family law, people that have immediate relatives that can sponsor them. As I say, a long wait now we’re looking at 18 months, sometimes two years. And there was some individuals that were part of the that submitted the application during the Trump administration some of those cases are still ongoing they haven’t been resolved. So all of these things are just issues that I think Congress needs to come forward and step forward and, and, and put a a solution to.
Speaker 1 30:24
Yeah, well, Shelle, let me bring you in Shelle, if you could also add to this the humanitarian perspective. You know, Shelle, I mean, I’m sorry, Chinwe hit on the word humane. And as we reference back to this article, I’m just going to read this quick paragraph. Beyond its economic impact, mass deportation could be a humanitarian disaster in the making. Families would be torn apart with US born children forced into foster care or exile to countries they’ve never known. The trauma inflicted on these families would ripple through generations, undermining the very values of family and community that America claims to uphold. So what are your thoughts, Shelle, on how does our humanity might be impacted by what’s going to happen over the next number of months?
Speaker 3 31:20
Absolutely so we did have a parole program for Haiti, for Venezuela and Cuba. And, you know, individuals from that those countries have been able to be brought here on those programs. Now those countries, you know, Haiti and Venezuela do have TPS programs out there now temporary protective status are are for individuals from countries that have some sort of maybe natural disaster. They have some sort of upheaval politically, you know, maybe they’re going through some communism in their country there’s, there’s some, you know, some kind of upheaval in that country as to why the, the government brings them here the US government allows them to come here and gives them a temporary protected status now these, this protected status does get renewed and has been getting renewed throughout the years. However, if Trump comes through and now says, OK, now you people have to go back to your countries, that is going to be, I feel a disaster because when you bring people here to the US and we’re bringing them here as like a safe haven, and then we’re telling, OK, get back, go, go back. These countries are still in disastrous conditions, OK the conditions that brought them here in the 1st place are still here. And they had this legal process some of them are married to US, citizens some of them have US citizen children they’ve established a life here. They’re they’re contributing members of the society. They’re paying taxes, they’re helping us with our jobs, OK. And so sending those people back, it’s it’s also kind of creating this like false narrative that they don’t help our country, which is completely false. I mean, I think we all know what happened when Trump highlighted Springfield, Ohio, where a lot of the Haitian immigrants are, but they are actually revitalizing that part of Ohio. And so it was not true that, you know, those allegations that were were brought against them. So I think sometimes, you know, things are said or this there’s this perception of immigrants that is really not true because we are a nation of immigrants and a lot of people lived in mixed status households, meaning that some people are immigrants, some people are citizens. Ok. So what’s very interesting is that one of the group of people that helped Trump to win are Hispanic men. Ok. But people vote thinking that their people are good. Meanwhile, they may have cousins, aunts, you know, spouses even, that don’t have status and what do you think may happen to those people? They may be deported. And so I think sometimes people didn’t even realize what they were doing when they were voting for Trump and what that really meant for even members of their own family.
Speaker 1 34:37
Generally you have some thoughts on humanitarian issues.
Speaker 2 34:41
I think the, the United States is one of the best, in fact, is the best country for an immigrant to to move to. That’s because at its core, Americans are humane, their policies are humane, and this is one of the easiest countries to assimilate as an immigrant. A case, for example, is the three of us who are all immigrants and we’ve been able to become US. Citizens that doesn’t happen anywhere else in the world. So we regards to the, you know, I’m always reluctant to, to speak to what the, the, the, this incoming administration is going to do because I know that it’s not going to deviate too much from the previous Trump admin trump’s already been in office. So we know that he, he, he didn’t, you know, destroy the immigration system and we’re hoping that, you know, he will probably the, the, the, the only thing we noticed was and during that time was a, a, a more, a more stringent requirements for documentation. So, but they still allow the laws to, to move in place. I personally don’t believe that they’re going to round up people and put them in in concentration camps like the Nazis. I also know that the laws here requires that due process be accorded to everybody. That’s part of the constitutional right. I don’t know how to circumvent that and and just put people in planes or is it in ships or boats i’m not sure how they’re going to round people up. So even if you round people up, then what happens after that? Would they sit in concentration camps for for how long? What, how do you process them out? Most of these people don’t even have passports to travel back home, you know. So how do you how do you navigate all of that? It requires you to coordinate with their individual governments and things so it’s not, it’s not something that is it’s going to, so I will guess to the humane issue we presently have. I’m a little bit worried about the, the Biden administration’s current tweak on asylum because they’re making it a little bit more difficult for asylum seekers to to apply for asylum. And so I’m not sure what.
Speaker 1 37:38
Can you clarify, Chinwe on the current status?
Speaker 2 37:44
The asylum, I don’t, I don’t want to call it asylum ban issue. The, the current rule is if you’re coming in and you know, and then you know, most people coming in through the southern border cross like 5 or 6 different countries. They’re now requiring you to show that you applied for asylum in some of those countries and you were denied. If you’re crossing the, the, the southern border for you to be eligible for asylum application. I think that’s an unnecessary and an undue burden on people fleeing to, to, to, to requirement. So, but I still think we have a system that is fair. You know, if you have an asylum case and you present a good case, you’re, you’re given an opportunity to, to present your case and see if you would merit discretionary approval. So right now I just want to be optimistic. I don’t want to sound because I generally am. I don’t want to believe that in a couple of months that people are going to be subjected to inhumane treatment. And I know that the American people, if they see it, they will definitely speak out and, and people would definitely make sure that those things are stopped so hopefully a, a proper system will be set up that would allow for even if you’re removing people for it to be done in, in, in a, in a more in a humane manner and for the totality of each case to be considered. You know, like if you have children, why would you separate kids from their parents if the parents haven’t committed any crime other than crossing the border illegally to flee, you know, harsh conditions back home. Why are you sending US citizens? And As for those arguing that kids born? By immigrants in the United States, but right citizenship, I mean, unless Congress amends the current Constitution, I don’t see how that can they can stop issuance of a citizenship to to kids born here in in the United States so we’ll have to wait and see how most of the things they talked about on the campaign trail, how they plan to implement it. And like I said, it has to be, we have to wait for each executive order to be issued and to see the legal fights through the courts and, and see what happens and.
Speaker 1 40:43
Charlie, you wanted to close this out.
Speaker 3 40:45
Yes, I definitely think that there are possibilities to possibly end birthright citizenship. It wouldn’t be retroactive, but let’s look at the Supreme Court. I mean, a lot of those picks are here. Ok, let’s talk about that. And so when you look at, OK, who is controlling the House, who is controlling the Senate, Who is controlling the executive branch, who is controlling the Supreme Court, OK i think that’s the scary part for people is that if everything is Republican controlled in each or government that is supposed to do the checks and balances, are things going to be able to just go through without much pushback? I don’t know. Could it happen? Sure i mean, I don’t know. I hope not, but you know, it’s a possibility. I think as far as how we’ve been as Americans, I feel that a lot of Americans are not speaking up for what’s right. I think there are some policies that John has that they like, for example, some people are, you know, very wealthy, like Elon Musk and they, they like maybe some of the tax benefits and, you know, he’s there jumping up and down like, you know, things that I like are going to get through, you know, all those type of things. So people like him for different reasons and some people honestly, they don’t even care what he says, you know, but he’s been very rude. He has, you know, called countries S-hole countries he has done Muslim bans, he has done travel bans, he has done things that’s discriminatory and and racist and xenophobic, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Will those types of things continue? Probably i mean, why not? Those types of things were there with his first, his first time in office. And so I think I think just the way that he sometimes pits groups against each other could be for America, just the bad mouthing about certain groups that he’s done. I think that could be dangerous for America and I think people being afraid to speak up because they think this is the Christian point of view or, or what whatever could also be dangerous, being silent and complacent and complacent when we see that front groups are, are being very much marginalized simply because they’re brown or black, you know, which I, I, I don’t think is right.
Speaker 1 43:44
All right, ladies, so we’re going to leave it there because of time we’re actually 15 minutes overtime of what we plan for but this is what happens sometimes when we get into these passionate discussions. And so immigration is not going anywhere i hope one day that Congress will just rise up and do its job because that’s how this is supposed to work. You know, there the lawmakers, however, we keep depending on presidents to come and either save us or hurt us depending on political parties; it goes too far sometimes so we got to have, you know, Congress act and, and, and do something. So people can check out your pages again. I’ll leave them. I will leave you with the Darialawfirm.com and ShelleSimonLaw.com if you have more questions about immigration. And then, of course, the article I referenced earlier is on Forbes by Andy Semotiuk. And so for now, everybody, that’s it we’ll continue to come back on the LMI podcast so we can talk more about everything and anything dealing with law and country resolution. So thank you so much ladies for coming on on this episode today.
Speaker 2 45:01
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 45:03
All right, until next time, everybody, take care.
